It is now so pervasive that it exists just naturally within the ecosystem on Facebook and elsewhere. But the problem is particularly for vaccine disinformation, it is metastasized and it is now, you mentioned it earlier about the top down and the bottom up, the grassroots piece. Now, what has happened over the last several months is that some of those that the- the Dirty Dozen or whatever they're calling it, some of those have been de platformed. But at the same time, there are those that can use those platforms for their own benefits to continue to push disinformation. And the same thing happened in the elections last year. So, yes, Facebook and other social media platforms can provide helpful information on the facts behind the vaccine. KREBS: Unfortunately, both can be true at the same time. Help us think through what the right way to think about this is. But the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which the administration pointed to, said that they were basically about 12 Facebook accounts that are spreading this disinformation. They responded to the administration and said 85% of our users are interested in vaccines, basically saying the administration is wrong. JOHN DICKERSON: We're all ready to fight and they just drop in the thing that creates a new round of fighting. And ultimately what they're looking to do is undermine our confidence in the United States of America ourselves. But they get the seeds of division that they then amplify, they drive more activity. And when you talk about foreign actors and Russian disinformation specialists in particular, they don't actually have to do a whole lot because we've done so much here domestically to ourselves. You tend to have an overlap of these different actors. You have political activists as well in what happens, whether it's elections, whether it's COVID, whether it's technology issues. Again, the profiteers, you have conspiracy theorists, anti-vacciners. There's state actors, intelligence agents- agencies. JOHN DICKERSON: And is this different? Is there any foreign meddling in this kind of disinformation? We know about people passing neighbors who are passing information that isn't square, but is- are there any foreign entities involved?
And I tend to believe that there's a lot of that going on here. What- what we are seeing here, though, is an ecosystem of information purveyors. And it was a- it was a remarkable week in terms of pronouncements both from some of the social media platforms, Facebook as well as the administration. Do you see similarities between those two?įORMER CISA DIRECTOR CHRIS KREBS: Absolutely. You fought a lot of misinformation with respect to elections. The- the- the surgeon general put his finger on misinformation in terms of blocking people, getting to vaccines. And he joins us now in person as a real live human here. Chris Krebs is the former director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency and now founding partner of Krebs Stamos Group. JOHN DICKERSON: Last week, the Biden administration outlined several steps aimed at fighting back against both cyber attacks and misinformation campaigns. The following is a transcript of an interview with former CISA director Chris Krebs that aired on Sunday, July 18, 2021, on "Face the Nation."
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